Arisia 2008 Stair Club Reminder
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disclaimer: I am not one of the organizers. Nothing in this post, nor in any of the threads contained herein is official, unless otherwise noted by someone who IS an oganizer. Everything I say here is merely a suggestion in order to reduce congestion in the elevators, and make the world a better place for people for whom the stairs are not a viable option.
Shortly after the end of the con last year, there was discussion of a "StairMaster Club" being organized by able-bodied individuals to allow those for whom the stairs are not an option to take the elevators with greater ease. StairMaster is a copyrighted word, so I will only be using the term "Stair Club".
The original announcement requested that people get in shape over the course of the year, so that for this upcoming Arisia, only those who are inconsiderate and those who are unable to take the stairs will be using the elevators. If you missed the previous announcement, there is still time! Get in shape now, so that everyone can enjoy the con as much as possible!
Once again, as we were reminded when this was originally posted, do NOT make discouraging remarks, comments, looks, or jokes to people who are taking the elevator, even if they appear to be able-bodied. First of all, the number of invisible things that can keep a person from taking a flight of stairs is astronomical, so do not assume. Secondly, the goal of this group is to make the con MORE fun for everyone, not less.
Shortly after the end of the con last year, there was discussion of a "StairMaster Club" being organized by able-bodied individuals to allow those for whom the stairs are not an option to take the elevators with greater ease. StairMaster is a copyrighted word, so I will only be using the term "Stair Club".
The original announcement requested that people get in shape over the course of the year, so that for this upcoming Arisia, only those who are inconsiderate and those who are unable to take the stairs will be using the elevators. If you missed the previous announcement, there is still time! Get in shape now, so that everyone can enjoy the con as much as possible!
Once again, as we were reminded when this was originally posted, do NOT make discouraging remarks, comments, looks, or jokes to people who are taking the elevator, even if they appear to be able-bodied. First of all, the number of invisible things that can keep a person from taking a flight of stairs is astronomical, so do not assume. Secondly, the goal of this group is to make the con MORE fun for everyone, not less.
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Date: 2007-11-26 07:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-26 07:42 pm (UTC)How is this offensive? If you're offended by their choice of hotels, then please, bring this up to people who help to organize it. Where you put your complaint, it will not be seen, except by me, a stupid kid who is trying to get a club together.
If you are offended by my club, then please come into the stairwell and beat me up. There's plenty of space there, as I learned last year. After you've gotten out your offended anger, I'll buy you a beer and we can go on about our merry way enjoying the con. Sound good?
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Date: 2007-11-26 08:01 pm (UTC)That is a pretty offensive thing to say to people.
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Date: 2007-11-26 08:07 pm (UTC)Not singling anyone out here. Just trying to make room for people less lucky than you or I.
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Date: 2007-11-26 08:13 pm (UTC)By your point of view (unable or disable, whichever version of your post you want to go by) those who have gotten to tired to use the stairs, aren't unable, merely inconsiderate for not having spent the time to get mountain climber endurance.
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Date: 2007-11-26 08:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-26 08:23 pm (UTC)Because your original posting seems to be an attempt to shame people into getting into such great shape that they wouldn't BECOME unable due to over-exertion.
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Date: 2007-11-26 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-26 08:37 pm (UTC)Two children are born in the same hospital. Because they are babies, they are equal, and the world is a blank slate on which they can write. Over the course of their lives, however, differences begin to appear.
One is the son of a lawyer and an engineer. The other is unsure who his father is, and is the son of a very unlucky woman who works at the local supermarket.
The first boy is given help with his homework every night, while the second loses sleep worrying whether they'll be evicted again.
The first takes an SAT prep course while the second takes on more hours at his after school job to help pay the rent.
The first participates in numerous extra-curricular activities, while a babysitter watches his brothers and sisters. The second child watches his brothers and sisters.
When the first boy gets a C+, there is substantial pressure on the teacher who gave it to him from the boy's parents, as well as from other teachers, to bump it up to a B-. The second boy gets a C+ and there's nothing he can do about it, because he's alone.
When they apply for college, the first is the obvious choice, because he has higher grades, higher SAT scores, more extracurricular activities, and better letters of reference. Is it unfair to give the second boy special treatment? I say it's quite fair. I understand that you do not.
I am done with this conversation.
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Date: 2007-11-27 02:07 pm (UTC)This entire conversation is a lesson and I, for one, fear you've missed it.
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Date: 2007-11-27 07:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-27 08:22 pm (UTC)I don't agree with your allegory nor do I think it applies to something like elevator use at a con. Good deeds and giving someone a helping hand should never be requirements but that was certainly the impression a number of us got.
I would suggest finding a way to motivate the people who disagree with your version of morality; one way might be to have signs pointing to the stairs and saying that taking the stairs might be faster than taking the elevator. Or say, "Don't have time to use the health club here? Use the free stair training program! -->" Neither of these imply anything about the ethics, morality or consideration level of the reader.
My two cents. Note that while I'm involved with the con this year, I am definitely not speaking for it here.
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Date: 2007-11-27 04:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-27 07:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-29 07:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-29 07:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-29 08:26 pm (UTC)And the college admission issue isn't what they overcame; it's how likely they are to succeed in college. I see no reason to believe that either of the people will do better or worse than the other in the Art Show (or wherever they're traveling to).
There are two people waiting for an elevator. It arrives with room to carry one of them. Which one? If the decision is based on something independent of the person (e.g. whoever arrived first), that's equal treatment. If it's based on the person (e.g. the shorter one goes first) that isn't equal treatment.
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Date: 2007-11-29 08:30 pm (UTC)Have a good one!
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Date: 2007-11-26 09:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-11-27 02:03 pm (UTC)As for looking into another hotel, that is also being actively done; I'm not part of that committee but I had no idea hotels were scheduled out as far as they are. If you have ideas or suggestions, I urge you to either send them to the con staff or (even better) volunteer to help with the search. :-)