There's a difference between saying something like...
"these A B C things I see appear to be unhealthy or disturbing, because X Y Z" and "your entire community is being dismissed/degraded because I choose to focus on a few bad apples"
It really doesn't matter how valid the point; if you wrap it up in a shit sandwich, no one is gonna eat it. This is the essential problem of Q's presenting-of-position. Also the essential problem of Rosenfield's OP in the link; although he was more eloquent, his piece shows a fundamental bias in how he cherry picked the parts that supported the story for which he was aiming. It's not really a surprise, as journalists have been doing this for decades.... still a rotten tactic.
I agree with the general point that moral relativism can cloud vision (for some people, in some instances)... _HOWEVER_, when Q invokes it within a shit sandwich with the rest of his argument, my impulse rebuttal is "who died and left you the tiara?" A stranger with a snarky handle on the internets is telling me that I'm wrong, as is my entire community? O NOES. Let me go turn my world upside down for this digital prophet!!!
*looks left* *looks right*
...uh, no.
I readily agree with the general point that fandom is not all peaches and cream, and that there are some specific issues with Arisia regarding "the vibe." (I have heard this from multiple sources, long before the OP link was presented) I have my own list of things about fandom that infuriate me, and I try to not do any of them myself. I don't tend to confront random people about these things, as I can't fix them even if they wanted my help... I simply remove myself from the situation. I will put in the effort to try to help someone closer to me, though, but if they don't want it, there's not a helluva a lot I can do after that. Horse to water, and all.
I'm all for discussion that leads to improvement of things-which-are-lacking... But it must happen within the community; it will not be found on a biased piece with a rabid teal-deer-summoning troll shouting down any opposition.
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Date: 2010-01-21 06:41 pm (UTC)"these A B C things I see appear to be unhealthy or disturbing, because X Y Z"
and
"your entire community is being dismissed/degraded because I choose to focus on a few bad apples"
It really doesn't matter how valid the point; if you wrap it up in a shit sandwich, no one is gonna eat it. This is the essential problem of Q's presenting-of-position. Also the essential problem of Rosenfield's OP in the link; although he was more eloquent, his piece shows a fundamental bias in how he cherry picked the parts that supported the story for which he was aiming. It's not really a surprise, as journalists have been doing this for decades.... still a rotten tactic.
I agree with the general point that moral relativism can cloud vision (for some people, in some instances)... _HOWEVER_, when Q invokes it within a shit sandwich with the rest of his argument, my impulse rebuttal is "who died and left you the tiara?" A stranger with a snarky handle on the internets is telling me that I'm wrong, as is my entire community? O NOES. Let me go turn my world upside down for this digital prophet!!!
*looks left*
*looks right*
...uh, no.
I readily agree with the general point that fandom is not all peaches and cream, and that there are some specific issues with Arisia regarding "the vibe." (I have heard this from multiple sources, long before the OP link was presented) I have my own list of things about fandom that infuriate me, and I try to not do any of them myself. I don't tend to confront random people about these things, as I can't fix them even if they wanted my help... I simply remove myself from the situation. I will put in the effort to try to help someone closer to me, though, but if they don't want it, there's not a helluva a lot I can do after that. Horse to water, and all.
I'm all for discussion that leads to improvement of things-which-are-lacking... But it must happen within the community; it will not be found on a biased piece with a rabid teal-deer-summoning troll shouting down any opposition.